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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 6:31:01 GMT -5
So after seeing the poll results and careful deliberation, we came up with some changes on the scoring system etc.
Scoring:
forwards: goals 2.5 primary A 2.25 secondary A 2 Dmen: goals 2.75 primary a 2.5 secondary a 2.25 Hat tricks 5 +- 0 (old 1) PIMs .4 (old .5) PPP 1 (same) SHP 3 (same) Hits .3 (old .2) Blocks .3 (old .5) SOG .055 FOW .02 Takeaways .25
Goalies to stay the same.
We will also allow 2 amnesty buyouts this off-season which will go back to 1 the following years. The reason for this is to help teams acclimate with scoring changes.
Rosters to stay the same. Format to go from 4LW/4C/4RW to 3LW/3C/3RW/3Forwards
Extending junior eligibility from 2 to 3 years
Thoughts?
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Post by Kings on Mar 29, 2020 7:43:08 GMT -5
Looks good to me!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:24:07 GMT -5
Question on the positional changes? I'm not sure what the benefit is to having 3 wild card positions, it takes value away from your multi position players.
There's no DH in Hockey :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 6:03:13 GMT -5
I updated the first post to include the chances from 4/4/4 to 3/3/3/3 and added takeaways with a value of .1 per. Leaders each year in this category generally are in that 100 takeaway range so it would be a minor stat with leaders picking up 10-12 points for the year.
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Post by Kings on Mar 30, 2020 8:09:41 GMT -5
Question on the positional changes? I'm not sure what the benefit is to having 3 wild card positions, it takes value away from your multi position players. There's no DH in Hockey :-) The idea is if we are trying to give more value to more players, then we need to give centers more value. There are so many good centers, way more than the other positions (no matter how much we change the scoring system, this will always be the case), so if we are limited to only 4 of them, many good centers don't make the cut. Adding the Forward position instead allows teams to run with more centers. If others really don't like this idea, then obviously we won't do it, but I'm not sure what the opposition would be if we're trying to make more players valuable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:09:35 GMT -5
I'm just talking my way through my thought process, I don't have a serious opinion on the wildcards slot one way or the other. My only concern is a reduction in activity levels, If you can now start 5 or 6 Centers (any position really) instead of 4 is this move going to get Kopitar and his 10m contract onto someones roster? I think what it helps is a team with a plethora of talent at one position by reducing their need to trade from their position of strength to fill a weaker position. Many times I would trade player X because I have 5 quality players at a position for a position where I only had 3 so I could more playing time in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:25:57 GMT -5
I'm just talking my way through my thought process, I don't have a serious opinion on the wildcards slot one way or the other. My only concern is a reduction in activity levels, If you can now start 5 or 6 Centers (any position really) instead of 4 is this move going to get Kopitar and his 10m contract onto someones roster? I think what it helps is a team with a plethora of talent at one position by reducing their need to trade from their position of strength to fill a weaker position. Many times I would trade player X because I have 5 quality players at a position for a position where I only had 3 so I could more playing time in. This is a good point. I'm ok with either way but I did like the usual format as it more closely resembles an NHL lineup. What if we kept it the same but maybe added 1 flex (F or D) with either the half cap or no cap to try and get those better players into a lineup ?
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Post by Kings on Mar 30, 2020 9:56:58 GMT -5
On the other side of Bruins' argument, since we only have 4 center positions, I purposely would not trade for a center, since I'm already stacked with 5 awesome centers already. And good luck finding me better the ones than I already have, so in that sense it limits activity the way it is now. I think this argument works on both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:37:00 GMT -5
I think the bigger issue here is how do we get those 10MM guys into our lineups?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:57:40 GMT -5
The Kings make my point - if they have 5 stud Centers and can only play 4 aren't you more than likely to move one for EQUAL talent at a different position? Why have a stud on the bench? If you can play one at a wildcard position, then you would be less likely to deal one? Again, I don't have a horse in the race (I don't have 5 studs at any position never mind the same position), I just want to see this league thrive, grow and be enjoyable.
Plus I just miss hockey, my Son finished playing his Senior Year so I'm Jonesing for some action.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:27:28 GMT -5
I think the bigger issue here is how do we get those 10MM guys into our lineups? But then again even in the NHL nowadays, there arent really any teams that would want someone older that is turning 33 years old this year(Kopitar) on their team making 10 mill. I had cap space to easily take him on but I have zero interest adding that cap hit at that age. Gotta make smart decisions! There really arent many high priced good available guys in this league I feel. Other than maybe Kopitar and OEL I'd say. As for everyone else, those are the exact types that are always available in every pool every year NHL teams need to be creative with cap space and so do hockey pool GMs. Too many GMs in all pools make awful acquisitions and it bites them in the ass for years. You gotta be smart and creative and people gotta use their heads! The NHL and pools are all about cap space!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:34:48 GMT -5
I think the bigger issue here is how do we get those 10MM guys into our lineups? But then again even in the NHL nowadays, there arent really any teams that would want someone older that is turning 33 years old this year(Kopitar) on their team making 10 mill. I had cap space to easily take him on but I have zero interest adding that cap hit at that age. Gotta make smart decisions! There really arent many high priced good available guys in this league I feel. Other than maybe Kopitar and OEL I'd say. As for everyone else, those are the exact types that are always available in every pool every year NHL teams need to be creative with cap space and so do hockey pool GMs. Too many GMs in all pools make awful acquisitions and it bites them in the ass for years. You gotta be smart and creative and people gotta use their heads! The NHL and pools are all about cap space!! The NHL is a business. They also have real life value as opposed to fantasy value. The most important thing is that this league is supossed to be fun. If we don't find a way to be able to include guys over a certain amount, then where is the fun? This league needs to find a way to have some activity in it. Set it and forget it isn't good enough imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:42:30 GMT -5
But then again even in the NHL nowadays, there arent really any teams that would want someone older that is turning 33 years old this year(Kopitar) on their team making 10 mill. I had cap space to easily take him on but I have zero interest adding that cap hit at that age. Gotta make smart decisions! There really arent many high priced good available guys in this league I feel. Other than maybe Kopitar and OEL I'd say. As for everyone else, those are the exact types that are always available in every pool every year NHL teams need to be creative with cap space and so do hockey pool GMs. Too many GMs in all pools make awful acquisitions and it bites them in the ass for years. You gotta be smart and creative and people gotta use their heads! The NHL and pools are all about cap space!! The NHL is a business. They also have real life value as opposed to fantasy value. The most important thing is that this league is supossed to be fun. If we don't find a way to be able to include guys over a certain amount, then where is the fun? This league needs to find a way to have some activity in it. Set it and forget it isn't good enough imo. I guess it just depends what people find fun.. like 2 years ago I sucked so then last offseason I decided to completely overhaul my team.. I had to make alot of tough decisions and give up alot of good youth to get all the guys I set out to get and I ended up being one of the better teams and a threat to potentially win until the damn Covid hit...That is the type of pool i like.. having to really use my head and make extremely tough decisions and trades. I much prefer that extreme challenge of looking at a roster and thinking to myself "how the hell can I make this into a contender" and then overhauling the crap out of it . That's a main reason why I've enjoyed this pool so far
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:47:37 GMT -5
The NHL is a business. They also have real life value as opposed to fantasy value. The most important thing is that this league is supossed to be fun. If we don't find a way to be able to include guys over a certain amount, then where is the fun? This league needs to find a way to have some activity in it. Set it and forget it isn't good enough imo. I guess it just depends what people find fun.. like 2 years ago I sucked so then last offseason I decided to completely overhaul my team.. I had to make alot of tough decisions and give up alot of good youth to get all the guys I set out to get and I ended up being one of the better teams and a threat to potentially win until the damn Covid hit...That is the type of pool i like.. having to really use my head and make extremely tough decisions and trades. I much prefer that extreme challenge of looking at a roster and thinking to myself "how the hell can I make this into a contender" and then overhauling the crap out of it . That's a main reason why I've enjoyed this pool so far I can be a little trade happy, but without any activity, then how is it fun? At that point, I would probably enter a som league or something like that. This league is simple enough as far as rules etc, but the lack of activity, has made it for the most part..lopsided. Part of that I think is because right now anyone over the age of 23 and that makes more than 5m essentially is viewed as a washed up 44 yo. That's not reality. A league with toews koptiar doughty isn't fun. A league where Matthews marner get dealt x amount of times because of money isn't fun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:56:35 GMT -5
I guess it just depends what people find fun.. like 2 years ago I sucked so then last offseason I decided to completely overhaul my team.. I had to make alot of tough decisions and give up alot of good youth to get all the guys I set out to get and I ended up being one of the better teams and a threat to potentially win until the damn Covid hit...That is the type of pool i like.. having to really use my head and make extremely tough decisions and trades. I much prefer that extreme challenge of looking at a roster and thinking to myself "how the hell can I make this into a contender" and then overhauling the crap out of it . That's a main reason why I've enjoyed this pool so far I can be a little trade happy, but without any activity, then how is it fun? At that point, I would probably enter a som league or something like that. This league is simple enough as far as rules etc, but the lack of activity, has made it for the most part..lopsided. Part of that I think is because right now anyone over the age of 23 and that makes more than 5m essentially is viewed as a washed up 44 yo. That's not reality. A league with toews koptiar doughty isn't fun. A league where Matthews marner get dealt x amount of times because of money isn't fun. Haha see I loved watching Matthews and Marner being dealt around a million times. That is extremely entertaining to watch for me!!. This pool this past year was by far the most active pool I've ever seen as far as trades go. Sure there were a few weeks here and there where nothing happened but then there was a massive wave of trades. All pools usually slow a bit anyways once the season starts just cause by then, most GMs have made most their moves and are ready to see how their squads do. Sure there are always those few teams in all pools that are unable to come on regularly so then dont make as many deals. But entertainment wise this season, this pool was by far the best. Not everyday I see top NHL young guns being major suitcases!.. love it
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