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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 15:52:11 GMT -5
I'd love to respond more but I'm on my phone and it's annoying to type like this. Bill, your opinions are always welcome here. It's great to have owners who care to have opinions and voice them respectfully. Regarding number 1, as penguins said, the challenge of managing the cap and managing the 60 man roster is part of the challenge of the league. Allowing players to be dropped at will would be the end of that. From what I remember, the first year of this league ( over ten years ago) , we didn't have penalties for dropping players, and I just signed and release guys at will. Not much of a challenge. Now before I sign guys I really have to think it over. Do I have the cap space? Do I have the roster space? Even for something small like Matt Roy a few days ago I needed to think it over for a while. Regarding 2, as penguins said, fantrax is still lacking some important functions. Even running our drafts there had been super annoying. Thanks, Jason. I have three other Fantrax Dynasties that I manage. I've been in many drafts on Fantrax and haven't experienced any issues. I would be interested in learning about the draft issues you have had. In regards to managing the salary cap, yes, this league does makes every decision more difficult because you are STUCK with them. But that's just it; STUCK. When you make that decision you are STUCK, movement on that player ends until you sucker someone else to take it or you have a compliance buyout in the offseason. More than one bad contract and your moves are limited even further. While there may be bigger decisions in this league, I would argue that my other leagues force me to make difficult decisions much more often. Here, there are only so many opportunities to make changes. In my other leagues I constantly have to ask myself, "if I drop this guy will someone else pick him up?" This is mostly possible because there rosters are smaller, but everyone in my 12 team league could tell you glory stories about the players they've "stolen" from waivers or free agency. I'm not trying to tell you which way is better. We all have our preferences. For me, I think about how boring the NHL can be with how little movement there is. I'm consistently disappointed at the trade deadline when there aren't big names to discuss. I appreciate the realism you bring to make it more like the NHL, but I look at the NHL and say "It could be better". I didn't bring this up expecting a consensus to change league rules, but to keep having the conversation about what we can change to promote movement and get players like Kopitar and OEL unto rosters like people were trying to solve earlier in this thread. Fantrax is a part of this league and I think we should continue to try and utilize its power to make our lives easier/better. I will personally look into its capabilities and try to offer solutions without having to change any league rules.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 8:02:40 GMT -5
Since we are basically in offseason mode now with allowing trades and stuff, are teams allowed to make trades that put them over the cap then? I know during offseason teams can be over cap, so can teams start now?
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Post by Kings on May 25, 2020 8:20:36 GMT -5
Yes, no reason you can't be over the cap now. If the season were to resume that would be a different story. See my post in the thread I just started. We will discuss what to do in such a situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 21:56:25 GMT -5
So after seeing the poll results and careful deliberation, we came up with some changes on the scoring system etc. Scoring: forwards: goals 2.5 primary A 2.25 secondary A 2 Dmen: goals 2.75 primary a 2.5 secondary a 2.25 Hat tricks 5 +- 0 (old 1) PIMs .4 (old .5) PPP 1 (same) SHP 3 (same) Hits .3 (old .2) Blocks .3 (old .5) SOG .055 FOW .02 Takeaways .25 Goalies to stay the same. We will also allow 2 amnesty buyouts this off-season which will go back to 1 the following years. The reason for this is to help teams acclimate with scoring changes. Rosters to stay the same. Format to go from 4LW/4C/4RW to 3LW/3C/3RW/3Forwards Extending junior eligibility from 2 to 3 years Thoughts? Just looking at the playoff pool we have going on, it seems to me some cats may need some tweaks in my opinion. For example take a look at these 3 scoring lines: Player #1 - 1 G, 3 SOG, 2 PPP, 1 HIT, 2 BLK and 1 A1 for 7.82 points Player #2 - 3 SOG, 3 HIT, 1 BLK, 1 A1 and 14 PIM for 9.22 points Player #3 - 1 G, 3 SOG, 1 HIT, 1 TK, 5 FOW and 1 A1 for 5.57 points All pretty good stat lines, but the 2 players with 2 points each (both had a G and A1) finished behind the player with 14 PIMs. In my opinion, PIMs may be too valuable, but I would like to hear what everyone else has to say on the matter. Also, I feel FOW may be too low as it would take a player to have 40 FOWs to equal what a player earns for a minor penalty...I think we all know it takes more skill to win 40 face offs than it does for Tom Wilson to board a guy.
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Post by Kings on Aug 27, 2020 7:29:07 GMT -5
I also agree that we need to tweak things around. Guys like Tom Wilson and Evander Kane are WAY too valuable now. I don't think increasing FOW is the solution, rather decreasing PIMS (and maybe hits a bit). Blocks might have been lowered too much as well - I think too many players lost value because of that. I also think that we need to increase scoring points for defencemen.
On the other hand, we already switched things up this offseason and guys might have adjusted their rosters accordingly. Teams might not want to change things again this offseason. Although having a playoff draft might have been the perfect way for us to double check our scoring system.
I'm good with whatever the majority wants. Guys, voice your opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 7:47:31 GMT -5
I personally like the points as shown - 14 PIM in a game is impressive as only 4 players had over 100 PIM last season (I think). I think the points jump out as it is a playoff pool with limited games, but over the course of a full year I don't see PIM or HITS being that huge. I know I'm showing my age but I like the PIM and HITS being valuable. Regardless of personal belief I wouldn't want to make anymore changes this year due to recent transactions. I do think we should look at ways to make the D more valuable as there really isn't too many worth rostering in my humble opinion.
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Post by Kings on Aug 27, 2020 7:54:16 GMT -5
I would say regarding D: We need to get blocks higher - maybe .4 per block. And scoring categories for D should be at least 2.5 A2, 2.75 A1, 3G. Maybe a bit more. A guy like Zach Werenski hits 20 goals, which was quite a big deal since it rarely happens for a goalie, and he is meaningless in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 6:42:57 GMT -5
I'm all for tweaking them again.
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Post by Kings on Nov 2, 2020 14:24:40 GMT -5
Let's get this discussion going again. Here's what I propose. Defence scoring goes up to 3 points for a goal, 2.75 for A1, 2.5 for A2. Hits 0.25 Blocks 0.4 PIMs 0.3
Everything else stays the way we decided earlier this off-season.
Please share your thoughts. I think we saw during the playoff draft that we gave the tom wilson types way too much value, and we really harmed scoring defensemen. I think my suggestions would still keep the multicat aspect to the league while allowing things to make more sense considering the player's real value.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 17:14:53 GMT -5
Let's get this discussion going again. Here's what I propose. Defence scoring goes up to 3 points for a goal, 2.75 for A1, 2.5 for A2. Hits 0.25 Blocks 0.4 PIMs 0.3 Everything else stays the way we decided earlier this off-season. Please share your thoughts. I think we saw during the playoff draft that we gave the tom wilson types way too much value, and we really harmed scoring defensemen. I think my suggestions would still keep the multicat aspect to the league while allowing things to make more sense considering the player's real value. I don't know if it's just that I had a bad day at work, but this rubs me the wrong way for a few reasons:
1. I thought we already agreed to proposed scoring changes back at the end of March.
2. Looking at the playoff draft we had, on my team, excluding the goalies, out of my top 4 scorers, 3 were defencemen. I don't think it "harmed scoring defencemen" as I had Makar, Theodore and Hedman, all dmen I would consider "scoring defencement". I also think that there are more scoring defencemen in the game now than the "Tom Wilson" type of players that can actually stickhandle, shoot, pass AND hit.
3. This offseason I traded a lot for Brady Tkachuk under the "new" rules but yet "new new" rules are being proposed that would diminish his value...I don't think that is right. There may be others who have crafted their roster to the "new" rules that may have not done so under these proposed "new new" rules.
4. Lastly, looking at current rosters, the GM proposing these "new new" rules has on defence, in no particular order, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Thomas Chabot, Rasmus Dahlin, Victor Hedman, Seth Jones, Adam Boqvist and Rasmus Sandin on the active roster never mind Victor Soderstrom, Jusso Valimaki and Noah Dobson in the minors. I think it is fair to say that not really any of these guys are considered "banger"-type dmen but more like "scoring defencemen" and those types are what is being proposed to increase in value. Also, this same roster only had one player over 79 hits last year and those categories are being devalued.
To me (again it could be my bad day) but this seems quite disingenuous. I think it is quite obvious that I am not for changing the scoring system (again) when people have made moves this offseason.
What are other peoples thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 17:35:05 GMT -5
I agree with the Hawks. Rule changes should not be happening at this point. They should be agreed upon before the beginning of a new Off Season, so GM's can target players knowing what the rules are for the next season. I made number of player changes, and now someone wants to change the rules? And I saw the same thing about the GM's Team of the proposed rule changes.....
So I vote "NO" to any new rule changes for the new season.
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Post by Kings on Nov 2, 2020 17:40:40 GMT -5
I'm just bringing it up because some guys had mentioned they didn't like some things. I definitely understand the idea that guys have made trades with a certain value in mind and it wouldn't be fair to switch that up right afterwards. Hence I asked guys to share their thoughts!
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Post by Jets on Nov 2, 2020 18:32:29 GMT -5
1 too late for changes now 2 i like rewarding the defensive type defenseman. They are generally undervalued in most leagues compared to their value on a real NHL team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 8:41:00 GMT -5
Cant make even more changes at this point
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Post by Canucks on Nov 16, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I'm a little late to the party, but in my opinion since we changed the rules already we should stick with them for at least one full season before we vote on additional changes especially when we are talking about changing rules that impact a previous rule decision/league direction.
This is why this league has lasted for over 10 years... we are collaborative owners and put all major changes to a vote/discussion.
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